Subject: Hietts in Butleigh up to 1699 Date: 7/1/2012 3:42:44 P.M. Mountain Daylight Time From: rcsenior@yahoo.com
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To: LarryAndy@aol.com
Dear Larry, Assuming that this e-mail address is still working I thought you might like to see my website www.butleigh.org and under Butleigh people see the Hiett entry. I have transcribed the Butleigh Registers as well as the churchwardens accounts and the Overseers of the Poor. All in all there are clues to the story of the John Hiett who emigrated to Pennsylvania, and his wife Mary Smith. The problem you face in deeper research is that the information doesn't and never will exist. We had a vicar here, John Radford, who didn't keep a single record 1677 - 1714 and John's marriage and the birth of his children all would have taken place here in Butleigh [his wife was born here too] during this period, but no record ever kept. The William and Grace Smith were almost certainly here too but again the records fall into the gap period or are on the damaged pages of the Butleigh Parish Records. I don't feel that the Smith 'Glastonbury' link exists as such - exiles often wrote 'Glastonbury' when they came from Butleigh, just as the present postal address is Butleigh, Glastonbury,Somerset [ we are just 3 miles south of Glastonbury]. The William Smith actually born in Glastonbury died there and his childrens baptisms contradict the Mary Smith one here in Butleigh [which I believe no one else has recorded]. However, the Hietts DO seem to have theirprior origin in Street, which is also just three miles away.
I will update the files shortly - but this family is only one of thousands I am researching with Butleigh connections. Best wishes, Bob Senior
http://www.butleigh.org/butleighpeople/butleighpeople.html
Subject: FW: Robert Hyett-Street Manor Date: 10/13/2013 10:06:14 A.M. China Standard Time From: ken@kenhiattsc.com
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Heiatt – Hyett etc.
A Robert Hyett (d. circa 1558) acquired Wootton estates in 1545 from Edward Carne. His son Thomas sold some of the estate to Richard Walton in 1566 though retaining a life interest which he subsequently sold to Andrew Dyer. (VCH) Not known if there is a connection between that Thomas Hyett [who also held estates in Street] and the Thomas and John Hiett of Street below, oHi Larry,
I was curious if there was any information on line about Robert Hyett in Street history and went on line under Robert Hiett, Street, Somerset, England 1550 and found your entry. Who is Paula ?
The second entry was for British History Online-A history of Somerset Volume 9: Glastonbury and Street. Click on this link:
Robert Hyett-Street Manor
to connect to the site. Click on Manors and Estates. Scroll down to Street Manor and read. Scroll down further to Demesne and read. Scroll down further to Manorial Buildings and read. It appears the farmer who built the house was our Robert Hyett, farmer, or possibly his father since it was not in the 1499 records, but was referred to by Thomas Dyer in 1565 after Robert Hyett sold it to him. What do you think? Had you seen this information?
Ken Hiatt
r Richard Hiett of Butleigh. Because the vicar John Radford didn't keep any baptism, marriage nor burial records during his tenure 1677 -1714 there are impossible gaps to fill in this genealogical data but the origin of the family seems to be above named Street branch, using the same forenames and with dates that fit fairly perfectly, and so I am taking them as being the same family here. The Street family disappear as their namesakes appear in Butleigh and Kingweston and John Hiett is recorded as departing Butleigh for Pennsylvania and his in-laws the Smiths also disappear in 1699 – just as they too are recorded as travelling to America with a Quaker exodus including William Penn..
A) John Hyett of Street is mentioned as Overseer when referred to in the will of Roger Dovel dated 30 Jan 1571. [Jewer's notes] Probably the father or possibly brother of the next;
1) Thomas Hiett
Married: [Alice? - see below][the widow with missing forename bur. 1650 Street?]
Children:
1) Thomas s.o. Thomas bur. 8 Jan 1600 Street
2) John Chr. 22 Feb 1602 Street Hloy Trinity (1a)
3) Alice Chr. 14 Aug 1605 Street [an Alice Hiett bur. 14 Mar 1629 Street, could also be the mother]
4) Edith Chr. 20 Mar 1607 Street m. 4 Nov 1639 Street Richard Bartlett
5) Elizabeth Chr. 20 Jan 1610 Street m. 1 May 1637 Street George Charde (Coward)
Besides Thomas a Nicholas Hiett living in Street fathered a Mary (Chr. 23 Sep 1608 Street) – Nicholas appears in Jewers Notes as son-in-law of Joane Brawdrip [Will of 6 Sep 1570 Street] – Nicholas buried 6 Oct 1610 Street. Edith and Elizabeth Hyett were left small legacies by 'cousin' Agnes Keene [Will 3 Jul 1635 Street] as was cousin Agnes Chard. John Hyett helped compile the inventory of Thomas Barry's will of 13 Aug 1631 Street. [all from Jewers Notes].
http://www.butleigh.org/butleighpeople/ButleighPeopleH.htm
Subject: Re: Hietts in Butleigh up to 1699 Date: 7/2/2012 10:16:23 A.M. Mountain Daylight Time From: rcsenior@yahoo.com
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Dear Larry, There are houses in the village that they can date the beams of to the 1200's by dendrochronology but most houses are post 1700. I doubt there would be any way to identify the Hiett houses with any certainty but who knows, some people have all sorts of strange information of their house deeds - but village people are a bit secretive and don't like to show you such things. I have only been here 33 years which makes me still an 'outsider'! I would be interested in ANY records you have of anyone who claimed to come from Butleigh, Butley or Glastonbury who migrated to America. Regards, Bob
Dear Marty, Larry, As you can see from my website I am trying to research hundreds of Butleigh people at the same time, from all periods. It is only now and again that I give one surname a bit more deserved attention and that happened with the Hietts a few weeks ago. The surname spelling was entirely a matter of whim according to the scribe or clerk - based on the phonetical pronunciation - there were no dictionaries of surnames, hence the very wide variety of spellings of this surname and also there are misread transcriptions. There wasn't a RIGHT spelling at that time. The John of Butleigh was the son of Richard, grandson of John and great-grandson of Thomas. I still haven't found the link between the Thomas having children in Street [3 miles from Butleigh] from circa 1600 and the Thomas Hiett son of Robert Hiet who was alive in the late 1500's. It shouldn't be impossible but the problem is always time - there will be clues in some of the documents that I have listed but not yet read. I found the older Thomas acting as a witness in a will in Butleigh in the 1560's just today. I live in Butleigh, England and most of the documents are in Taunton [27 miles away] but at the moment I do not have the time to go and look at them - I am also pre-occupied with transcribing many other Butleigh wills, a sons marriage and visiting relatives in Germany! The other John Hiett in Street seems to have disappeared and I haven't tried to follow that line up. Only a limited numer of forenames seem to be used by any one family and John is one of the commonest. He was obviously a cousin of John son of Richard who was in Butleigh. As soon as I can, probably in October, I must transcribe the document 'DD/S/BT/6/8/3 1] John Hiett late of Butleigh but now of Pennsylvania, America and wife Mary' and its contents to see if there are any additional clues there and also 'DD/S/BT/5/7/4 1] John Hiett of Butleigh, yeoman and wife Mary'. Hope this is of some help. Best wishes, Bob Senior On 29/07/2012 12:57, Marty Hiatt wrote:
Dear Larry,
Thank you ever so much for sharing the details about Hiatts in Butleigh, England. I've read it all, but just once. Bob Senior has made a wonderful contribution to our cause. Does he live in England?
At the end of your email I found the following summary, but now I'm confused.
Who was the father of our John Hiett, the man who married Mary Smith and immigrated to Pennsylvania? Was it Richard, or Thomas?
Was Richard really a Hiatt, or a Hewitt/Huett?
1a2) Richard Hiett [Chr. 10 Jan 1640 Street s.o. John and Alice Hiet?], d. Butleigh 1686? Married: ? ______ unk. [probably died. Before 1688 for children to be taken in by other people – or re-married]
Children: 1) Richard (1a2A) [a Richard Huett Chr. 1 Dec 1667 Street s.o. Richard Huett seems likely] 2) John [Chr. 27 Apr 1676 Street] (1a2B) 3) George [probably Chr.Butleigh post 1677]…
1a2B) John Hiett [Chr. 27 Apr 1676 Street, s.o. Richard Hiett] d.c. 1727 America
Married: c. 1695 Mary Smith [Chr. 22 Apr 1673 Butleigh] d.o. William and Grace Smith #, d. 1745 Bucks County, Pennsylvania
Children: 1) John b. 1696 [probably Butleigh] 2) George b. 1698 [probably Butleigh] 3) William b. 1700 Bucks County, Pennsylvania
Another John Hiett was also Chr. 22 May 1677 Street, s.o. Thomas Hiett. DD/S/BT/6/8/3 1] John Hiett late of Butleigh but now of Pennsylvania, America and wife Mary 2]
Ms. Marty Hiatt, CG Certified Genealogist is a service mark of the Board for Certification of Genealogists, used under license by Certified Genealogists after periodic evaluation by the Board.
Dear Larry and all Hiett interested parties, Regarding Larry's last e-mail - I would like to add that my website www.butleigh.org is free to all to use as they wish [apart from the Butleigh Revel pages which are not for re-publication] and I don't claim any copyright on my own research nor do I demand anyone actually quotes me as source [it is up to them] - I believe that all such genealogical information should be free to all and I support all sites that make such information available - such as www.freetreg.org.uk It has been a lot of work transcribing Parish documents but that in itself is part of the fun and why I do it - I have copies of everything bound and donated to the Somerset Heritage Centre, and eventually will do the same for my whole website. In return I can photograph gratis Wills at the SHC and other documents. It is even greater fun when I get responses from other researchers or descendants thanking me for the information I have put out, and which has helped them in their searches, and this often encourages me to spend some more time on their family than I may have done previously. Genealogy is fun - a voyage of discovery and better than reading the best novel where you cannot wait to turn over the next page and see what happens next - it is full of surprises. Since we are all related in the long run, I get just as much pleasure from researching other people's families as I did from doing my own. I had hoped to get back to looking at the Hietts by October but my eldest son chose to get married in Germany then and subsequently other family matters have taken up all the time I had wanted to dedicate to research - and now we have a year ahead with lost of travel as long-awaited grandchildren now seem to be coming along in a rush in different parts of the world! Incidentally, I have never had a problem putting transcriptions of material out on my site - the important stipulation being that it is all for free. Best wishes to you all for 2013, Bob Senior
[] Eve Diver is the daughter of John Diver and his second wife MaryDelorme. Have three different birthdates. From Genealogy of Down RiverFamilies it says she was born 1807 in Canada (which could be Monroe asit was not US then) and she was baptised May 29, 1828 at St Antoine,River Raisin. The 1850 census says she is 46 years old making herbirthdate appx. 1804 in Canada West. According to her burial she diedMay 9, 1884, age 83 years & 10 months, making birthdate appx. 1800. Ifshe is daughter of John & Mary Delorme it would have to be after theirmarriage in 1806. She is buried in St Mary's Cemetary in Monroe withher husband Louis Chamberland. He was born about 1795 (sic) in Detroitthe son of Joseph Chamberland (born 1747 died Sept. 25, 1832 StAntoine, River Raisin) and his second wife Josephine Larose (filled'une sauvagesse), a savage. This is according to Genealogy of DownRiver Families. There is a question of his birthdate as they were notmarried until Feb. 19, 1798 in Detroit. Josephine was born 1770 andburied Jan. 14, 1829, St Antoine. Louis settled about 1813 at RiverRasin. Eve and Louis were married Oct. 5, 1824 in Monroe by Peter P.Ferry JP. The marriage was ratified St Antoine, River Rasin, May 29,1828. Their children; Mary Ann born Oct. 18, 1824 StAntoine Ann born Jan. 15, 1827 " " Louis bornApr. 29, 1829 " " Margaret born Nov. 18, 1831 " "Elisabeth born Feb. 14, 1834 " " John born June 9,1839 " " Daniel born Apr. 8, 1844 Bapt. July 21, 1844Monroe MI In the 1850 census Eve is listed as a farmer with realestate worth $200.